Dr. Chris Moran recently sat down with Dr. Trevor McCrisken for a podcast for the International Spy Museum to discuss the role of drones in modern surveillance, warfighting, and counterterrorism. McCrisken discusses the weaponization of drones, the targeted killing program of the Bush and Obama administrations, the perception in the West that the drone war is “costless”, and the possibility of what he calls the “perpetual war” against global terrorism.

The podcast can be downloaded here.