Skip to main content

Meeting minutes 19/01/12

Dominic


Still working on the independence test with the upper airways

Meshes used are polyhedral with 5 prism layers and turbulent flow

Inflow is pressure difference: 3 Pa. Velocity is between 2-3 m/s

Dr Chung: maybe you could calculate the Reynolds number

What is the number of grid points? This is the single most important piece of information, need to know the order at least.

Are you running on unsteady or steady: Steady


 

Laura


Tried to set up a simulation for the upper airway (minus the trachea)

Laura is waiting for the grid independence test to be done before she focuses on this too much

Conditions: Laminar, unsteady, velocity in m/s.

Dr Chung: if one of you can work out how to do animations in Star CCM+ that would be good

Dr Chung: hopefully you will see some sort of unsteady jet in your model

Dr. Chung: Either choose constant pressure or constant velocity.

When you put constant pressure it assumes the velocity is not changing along the flow direction


 

Adrian


Still doing the grid independence test

Think it should be creating good results

Initially was monitoring the average surface pressure, decided to change this to the average wall shear stress.

Did the grid independence test only for the trachea

Dr Chung: So isn’t this similar to what Dominic is doing?

Can only work on campus at the moment. All the methods of getting around the problem keep setting off the error message.

The licenses on laptops aren’t working at all. Not even on campus.

Dr Chung: can you also measure some other information other than wall shear stress, i.e. 2D velocity profiles, or do a line probe to produce a 1D profile.


 

Charlie


Have recently put in the surface point generation of the algorithm

Next to do is to put in the stopping conditions

Have been looking at the stl lung volume file

Not entirely sure how to use this as a boundary condition for the algorithm

The code doesn’t know which side of the surface is the lung and which isnt

Tom thinks this can be done by defining the surface as a series of equations in matlab

Once this has been done the volume will most likely be split with simple planar lobe boundaries

Have been talking to Branda Timmerman about .stl files and .csv files and converting between them, meshing and merging

She is very knowledgeable about this area

One of the main areas that 1D can help 3D is we can provide the angle changes between generations

This is very difficult to do for the larger airways as the code cannot be told in a robust way which pathway it is calculating the angle for, as the data is not ordered.

Tom: define the angle changes by having a splitting point and the two angles coming from that.

Charlie: This in itself doesn’t fully define the angle changes as the angle change is defined by the parent branch and the splitting plane.

Therefore the connectivity of each branch between different angle changes is important.

Tom should start on manually getting the larger airways angle changes, as this can be started on straight away.

Whereas the smaller airways need the algorithm to be finished first.


 

Tom


Looking at the pressure/velocity profile through time

Has been researching fluids over Christmas

The only way it was done before was by working from one point to another

Now he needs to find a way of translating it into the time domain

This is difficult because at T0 there is no time before

Dr Chung: are you talking about the paper that we reproduced

Yes

Have rewritten the alveolar pressure as a function of inspiration and expiration

Need lung volume as a function of time, and because lung volume isn’t linear with time this is quite difficult

Need to get a velocity profile over time in order to get a pressure profile over time

The paper that we recreated didn’t map volume against time

It is difficult to find the same conditions that were found in the paper, i.e. long deep breathing in mechanical ventilation on the internet.

We need a pressure-volume profile to match the pressure-time profile, as without this the model is nullified.

Dr. Chung: we can start with a linear relationship between volume and time

i.e. we know the minimum and maximum volume, we can assume its linear between them.

Dr. Chung: Dhillon’s work needs to move on from the excel spreadsheet into Matlab.

If we could give you a series of pressure at a set of times, this would be useful for you

We could either give a velocity as a function of time or pressure as a function of time.

This would mean you could input pressure as a function of time instead of assuming constant pressure.

Dr Chung: I think we can use a table, with Star CMM + reading that table.

Tom: Can use Charlie’s visualisation to get the angle change, from this we can use a momentum equation to find the pressure change.